what is the relationship between (Client)SignatureAlgorithms and cipher_list()?

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what is the relationship between (Client)SignatureAlgorithms and cipher_list()?

Sam Roberts
Do they overlap in purpose, so the cipher list can be used to limit
the signature algorithms? Or are the signature algorithms used for
different purposes than the cipher suites in the cipher list?

If they have to be configured seperately, is the mechanism to use
https://www.openssl.org/docs/man1.1.1/man3/SSL_CONF_cmd_value_type.html
?

Thanks!
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Re: what is the relationship between (Client)SignatureAlgorithms and cipher_list()?

Matt Caswell-2


On 04/12/2018 04:56, Sam Roberts wrote:
> Do they overlap in purpose, so the cipher list can be used to limit
> the signature algorithms? Or are the signature algorithms used for
> different purposes than the cipher suites in the cipher list?

The answer varies depending on whether you are talking about TLSv1.2 or TLSv1.3.
I'll discuss normal sig algs first (as opposed to client sig algs).

In both TLSv1.2 and TLSv1.3 the sig algs describe what signature schemes the
client is willing to accept from the server for the signature created in a
ServerKeyExchange message (TLSv1.2) or a CertificateVerify message (TLSv1.3).
The server will create the signature using the algorithm associated with the
public key in the certificate.

A TLSv1.2 ciphersuite contains a number of different components - one of which
is an algorithm that will be used for signing. Therefore, in TLSv1.2, the
ciphersuite that eventually gets selected must be consistent with the algorithm
associated with the public key in the certificate and the selected sig alg.

In TLSv1.2 on the client side OpenSSL will automatically restrict the cipher
list to only include those ciphersuites which are consistent with its configured
sig algs. So, for example, if the client is not willing to accept ECDSA based
sig algs then it will not offer any ECDSA based ciphersuites.

In TLSv1.2 on the server side OpenSSL will attempt to choose a ciphersuite from
its configured set that is both consistent with the sig algs sent from the
client and with its configured certificates. So for example if the server has
both an RSA and an ECDSA certificate available but the client only offers RSA
based sig algs, then the server will select an RSA based ciphersuite, and vice
versa.

In TLSv1.3 things are slightly different because TLSv1.3 ciphersuites do not
specify a signature algorithm at all. So, on the client side, the TLSv1.3
ciphersuites sent are unaffected by the configured sig algs. On the server side
the TLSv1.3 ciphersuite is selected independent of the sig algs. The server
independently chooses a signature algorithm to use entirely based on its
available certificate algorithms.

Client sig algs are similar to normal sig algs but they only come in to play
when client auth has been configured, i.e. the server requests a certificate
from the client and the client provides one. In this case, both in TLSv1.2 and
TLSv1.3, the sig alg selected is entirely based on the algorithm in the client
cert. It is not impacted by the ciphersuite at all. So, for example, the
ciphersuite could be based on RSA (because the server's certificate is based on
RSA) but the client certificate's algorithm could be ECDSA (and hence the client
sig alg in use will be ECDSA based).

>
> If they have to be configured seperately, is the mechanism to use
> https://www.openssl.org/docs/man1.1.1/man3/SSL_CONF_cmd_value_type.html
> ?

They do have to be configured separately. You can do this via the SSL_CONF
interface if you wish. Or you can set them directly using the functions
described on these man pages:

https://www.openssl.org/docs/man1.1.1/man3/SSL_CTX_set1_sigalgs.html

https://www.openssl.org/docs/man1.1.1/man3/SSL_CTX_set_cipher_list.html


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