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Rich Salz via RT
To Whom It May Concern,

openssl version -a:

            OpenSSL 1.0.2a 19 Mar 2015

built on: reproducible build, date unspecified

platform: linux-ppc

options:  bn(64,32) rc4(ptr,char) des(idx,risc1,16,long) blowfish(idx)

compiler: /home/devadmin/buildserver/staging/build-output/c919/trunk-iop/host/usr/bin/ccache /home/devadmin/buildserver/staging/build-output/c919/trunk-iop/host/usr/bin/powerpc-e500v2-linux-uclibc-gcc -I. -I.. -I../include  -fPIC -DOPENSSL_PIC -DZLIB_SHARED -DZLIB -DOPENSSL_THREADS -D_REENTRANT -DDSO_DLFCN -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DB_ENDIAN -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64  -mcpu=8540 -pipe -O2  -Wall -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_MONT -DSHA1_ASM -DSHA256_ASM -DSHA512_ASM -DAES_ASM -DVPAES_ASM

OPENSSLDIR: "/etc/ssl"



                OS Name, Version, Hardware platform:

uname -a

Linux ahmu-iop-devel 3.10.76 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jul 8 11:18:12 EDT 2016 ppc GNU/Linux




Using 'openssl' in a Linux design and since it is a command line application it is always outputting content to the screen, for example:


openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -days 365 -subj "/C=US/ST=Ohio/L=Cincinnati/O=www.ge.com/OU=AHMU-UNIT/CN=AHMU-UNIT" -keyout start -out start

Generating a 2048 bit RSA private key

.........................................................................................+++

.............+++

writing new private key to 'start'

-----


Trying to find a way to prevent the output being output to 'stdout' but have not found a parameter (can redirect to a file but  the .....+ characters are still written to the console).


There either has to be a missed parameter or bug exist?


Thanks for your time regarding this issue,
Harold Lapprich


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Re: [openssl.org #4617] openssl Issue/Bug

Jan Just Keijser-2
Hi,

On 18/07/16 18:39, Lapprich, Harold via RT wrote:

> To Whom It May Concern,
>
> openssl version -a:
>
>              OpenSSL 1.0.2a 19 Mar 2015
>
> built on: reproducible build, date unspecified
>
> platform: linux-ppc
>
> options:  bn(64,32) rc4(ptr,char) des(idx,risc1,16,long) blowfish(idx)
>
> compiler: /home/devadmin/buildserver/staging/build-output/c919/trunk-iop/host/usr/bin/ccache /home/devadmin/buildserver/staging/build-output/c919/trunk-iop/host/usr/bin/powerpc-e500v2-linux-uclibc-gcc -I. -I.. -I../include  -fPIC -DOPENSSL_PIC -DZLIB_SHARED -DZLIB -DOPENSSL_THREADS -D_REENTRANT -DDSO_DLFCN -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DB_ENDIAN -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64  -mcpu=8540 -pipe -O2  -Wall -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_MONT -DSHA1_ASM -DSHA256_ASM -DSHA512_ASM -DAES_ASM -DVPAES_ASM
>
> OPENSSLDIR: "/etc/ssl"
>
>
>
>                  OS Name, Version, Hardware platform:
>
> uname -a
>
> Linux ahmu-iop-devel 3.10.76 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jul 8 11:18:12 EDT 2016 ppc GNU/Linux
>
>
>
>
> Using 'openssl' in a Linux design and since it is a command line application it is always outputting content to the screen, for example:
>
>
> openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -days 365 -subj "/C=US/ST=Ohio/L=Cincinnati/O=www.ge.com/OU=AHMU-UNIT/CN=AHMU-UNIT" -keyout start -out start
>
> Generating a 2048 bit RSA private key
>
> .........................................................................................+++
>
> .............+++
>
> writing new private key to 'start'
>
> -----
>
>
> Trying to find a way to prevent the output being output to 'stdout' but have not found a parameter (can redirect to a file but  the .....+ characters are still written to the console).
>
>
> There either has to be a missed parameter or bug exist?
>
This is not a bug or lacking feature.
The ....+ characters are written to stderr, so if you use
   openssl .....    > stdout 2> stderr
the characters disappear (into the file 'stderr'; use '2> /dev/null' to
send then straight to bit-heaven).  This depends slightly on the shell
you use, BTW. The above syntax is for bash/zsh/ksh; for csh/tcsh a
different syntax applies.

HTH,

JJK

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Re: [openssl.org #4617] openssl Issue/Bug

Rich Salz via RT
Hi,

On 18/07/16 18:39, Lapprich, Harold via RT wrote:

> To Whom It May Concern,
>
> openssl version -a:
>
>              OpenSSL 1.0.2a 19 Mar 2015
>
> built on: reproducible build, date unspecified
>
> platform: linux-ppc
>
> options:  bn(64,32) rc4(ptr,char) des(idx,risc1,16,long) blowfish(idx)
>
> compiler: /home/devadmin/buildserver/staging/build-output/c919/trunk-iop/host/usr/bin/ccache /home/devadmin/buildserver/staging/build-output/c919/trunk-iop/host/usr/bin/powerpc-e500v2-linux-uclibc-gcc -I. -I.. -I../include  -fPIC -DOPENSSL_PIC -DZLIB_SHARED -DZLIB -DOPENSSL_THREADS -D_REENTRANT -DDSO_DLFCN -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DB_ENDIAN -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64  -mcpu=8540 -pipe -O2  -Wall -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_MONT -DSHA1_ASM -DSHA256_ASM -DSHA512_ASM -DAES_ASM -DVPAES_ASM
>
> OPENSSLDIR: "/etc/ssl"
>
>
>
>                  OS Name, Version, Hardware platform:
>
> uname -a
>
> Linux ahmu-iop-devel 3.10.76 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jul 8 11:18:12 EDT 2016 ppc GNU/Linux
>
>
>
>
> Using 'openssl' in a Linux design and since it is a command line application it is always outputting content to the screen, for example:
>
>
> openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -days 365 -subj "/C=US/ST=Ohio/L=Cincinnati/O=www.ge.com/OU=AHMU-UNIT/CN=AHMU-UNIT" -keyout start -out start
>
> Generating a 2048 bit RSA private key
>
> .........................................................................................+++
>
> .............+++
>
> writing new private key to 'start'
>
> -----
>
>
> Trying to find a way to prevent the output being output to 'stdout' but have not found a parameter (can redirect to a file but  the .....+ characters are still written to the console).
>
>
> There either has to be a missed parameter or bug exist?
>
This is not a bug or lacking feature.
The ....+ characters are written to stderr, so if you use
   openssl .....    > stdout 2> stderr
the characters disappear (into the file 'stderr'; use '2> /dev/null' to
send then straight to bit-heaven).  This depends slightly on the shell
you use, BTW. The above syntax is for bash/zsh/ksh; for csh/tcsh a
different syntax applies.

HTH,

JJK


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[openssl.org #4617] openssl Issue/Bug

Rich Salz via RT
JJK,

Thanks for the quick response, it is really appreciated. Can I ask where you picked up the syntax for this command line (familiar with the various shells and /dev/null but couldn't put this together)?

Thanks Again,
Harold

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Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 2:26 PM
To: Lapprich, Harold (GE Aviation, US)
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Subject: EXT: Re: [openssl-dev] [openssl.org #4617] openssl Issue/Bug

Hi,

On 18/07/16 18:39, Lapprich, Harold via RT wrote:

> To Whom It May Concern,
>
> openssl version -a:
>
>              OpenSSL 1.0.2a 19 Mar 2015
>
> built on: reproducible build, date unspecified
>
> platform: linux-ppc
>
> options:  bn(64,32) rc4(ptr,char) des(idx,risc1,16,long) blowfish(idx)
>
> compiler:
> /home/devadmin/buildserver/staging/build-output/c919/trunk-iop/host/us
> r/bin/ccache
> /home/devadmin/buildserver/staging/build-output/c919/trunk-iop/host/us
> r/bin/powerpc-e500v2-linux-uclibc-gcc -I. -I.. -I../include  -fPIC
> -DOPENSSL_PIC -DZLIB_SHARED -DZLIB -DOPENSSL_THREADS -D_REENTRANT
> -DDSO_DLFCN -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DB_ENDIAN -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE
> -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64  -mcpu=8540 -pipe -O2  
> -Wall -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_MONT -DSHA1_ASM -DSHA256_ASM -DSHA512_ASM
> -DAES_ASM -DVPAES_ASM
>
> OPENSSLDIR: "/etc/ssl"
>
>
>
>                  OS Name, Version, Hardware platform:
>
> uname -a
>
> Linux ahmu-iop-devel 3.10.76 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jul 8 11:18:12 EDT
> 2016 ppc GNU/Linux
>
>
>
>
> Using 'openssl' in a Linux design and since it is a command line application it is always outputting content to the screen, for example:
>
>
> openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -days 365 -subj
> "/C=US/ST=Ohio/L=Cincinnati/O=www.ge.com/OU=AHMU-UNIT/CN=AHMU-UNIT"
> -keyout start -out start
>
> Generating a 2048 bit RSA private key
>
> ......................................................................
> ...................+++
>
> .............+++
>
> writing new private key to 'start'
>
> -----
>
>
> Trying to find a way to prevent the output being output to 'stdout' but have not found a parameter (can redirect to a file but  the .....+ characters are still written to the console).
>
>
> There either has to be a missed parameter or bug exist?
>
This is not a bug or lacking feature.
The ....+ characters are written to stderr, so if you use
   openssl .....    > stdout 2> stderr
the characters disappear (into the file 'stderr'; use '2> /dev/null' to send then straight to bit-heaven).  This depends slightly on the shell you use, BTW. The above syntax is for bash/zsh/ksh; for csh/tcsh a different syntax applies.

HTH,

JJK


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Re: [openssl.org #4617] openssl Issue/Bug

Jan Just Keijser-2
Hi Harold,

On 18/07/16 21:31, Lapprich, Harold via RT wrote:
> JJK,
>
> Thanks for the quick response, it is really appreciated. Can I ask where you picked up the syntax for this command line (familiar with the various shells and /dev/null but couldn't put this together)?
this is off-topic for this list, but I cannot email you directly. You
could try reading up at
   http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html

or any other hit that comes up when searching for "linux shell stderr
redirect"

HTH,

JJK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jan Just Keijser via RT [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 2:26 PM
> To: Lapprich, Harold (GE Aviation, US)
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: EXT: Re: [openssl-dev] [openssl.org #4617] openssl Issue/Bug
>
> Hi,
>
> On 18/07/16 18:39, Lapprich, Harold via RT wrote:
>> To Whom It May Concern,
>>
>> openssl version -a:
>>
>>               OpenSSL 1.0.2a 19 Mar 2015
>>
>> built on: reproducible build, date unspecified
>>
>> platform: linux-ppc
>>
>> options:  bn(64,32) rc4(ptr,char) des(idx,risc1,16,long) blowfish(idx)
>>
>> compiler:
>> /home/devadmin/buildserver/staging/build-output/c919/trunk-iop/host/us
>> r/bin/ccache
>> /home/devadmin/buildserver/staging/build-output/c919/trunk-iop/host/us
>> r/bin/powerpc-e500v2-linux-uclibc-gcc -I. -I.. -I../include  -fPIC
>> -DOPENSSL_PIC -DZLIB_SHARED -DZLIB -DOPENSSL_THREADS -D_REENTRANT
>> -DDSO_DLFCN -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DB_ENDIAN -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE
>> -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64  -mcpu=8540 -pipe -O2
>> -Wall -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_MONT -DSHA1_ASM -DSHA256_ASM -DSHA512_ASM
>> -DAES_ASM -DVPAES_ASM
>>
>> OPENSSLDIR: "/etc/ssl"
>>
>>
>>
>>                   OS Name, Version, Hardware platform:
>>
>> uname -a
>>
>> Linux ahmu-iop-devel 3.10.76 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jul 8 11:18:12 EDT
>> 2016 ppc GNU/Linux
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Using 'openssl' in a Linux design and since it is a command line application it is always outputting content to the screen, for example:
>>
>>
>> openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -days 365 -subj
>> "/C=US/ST=Ohio/L=Cincinnati/O=www.ge.com/OU=AHMU-UNIT/CN=AHMU-UNIT"
>> -keyout start -out start
>>
>> Generating a 2048 bit RSA private key
>>
>> ......................................................................
>> ...................+++
>>
>> .............+++
>>
>> writing new private key to 'start'
>>
>> -----
>>
>>
>> Trying to find a way to prevent the output being output to 'stdout' but have not found a parameter (can redirect to a file but  the .....+ characters are still written to the console).
>>
>>
>> There either has to be a missed parameter or bug exist?
>>
> This is not a bug or lacking feature.
> The ....+ characters are written to stderr, so if you use
>     openssl .....    > stdout 2> stderr
> the characters disappear (into the file 'stderr'; use '2> /dev/null' to send then straight to bit-heaven).  This depends slightly on the shell you use, BTW. The above syntax is for bash/zsh/ksh; for csh/tcsh a different syntax applies.
>
> HTH,
>
> JJK
>
>
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Re: [openssl.org #4617] openssl Issue/Bug

Rich Salz via RT
Hi Harold,

On 18/07/16 21:31, Lapprich, Harold via RT wrote:
> JJK,
>
> Thanks for the quick response, it is really appreciated. Can I ask where you picked up the syntax for this command line (familiar with the various shells and /dev/null but couldn't put this together)?
this is off-topic for this list, but I cannot email you directly. You
could try reading up at
   http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html

or any other hit that comes up when searching for "linux shell stderr
redirect"

HTH,

JJK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jan Just Keijser via RT [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 2:26 PM
> To: Lapprich, Harold (GE Aviation, US)
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: EXT: Re: [openssl-dev] [openssl.org #4617] openssl Issue/Bug
>
> Hi,
>
> On 18/07/16 18:39, Lapprich, Harold via RT wrote:
>> To Whom It May Concern,
>>
>> openssl version -a:
>>
>>               OpenSSL 1.0.2a 19 Mar 2015
>>
>> built on: reproducible build, date unspecified
>>
>> platform: linux-ppc
>>
>> options:  bn(64,32) rc4(ptr,char) des(idx,risc1,16,long) blowfish(idx)
>>
>> compiler:
>> /home/devadmin/buildserver/staging/build-output/c919/trunk-iop/host/us
>> r/bin/ccache
>> /home/devadmin/buildserver/staging/build-output/c919/trunk-iop/host/us
>> r/bin/powerpc-e500v2-linux-uclibc-gcc -I. -I.. -I../include  -fPIC
>> -DOPENSSL_PIC -DZLIB_SHARED -DZLIB -DOPENSSL_THREADS -D_REENTRANT
>> -DDSO_DLFCN -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DB_ENDIAN -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE
>> -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64  -mcpu=8540 -pipe -O2
>> -Wall -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_MONT -DSHA1_ASM -DSHA256_ASM -DSHA512_ASM
>> -DAES_ASM -DVPAES_ASM
>>
>> OPENSSLDIR: "/etc/ssl"
>>
>>
>>
>>                   OS Name, Version, Hardware platform:
>>
>> uname -a
>>
>> Linux ahmu-iop-devel 3.10.76 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jul 8 11:18:12 EDT
>> 2016 ppc GNU/Linux
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Using 'openssl' in a Linux design and since it is a command line application it is always outputting content to the screen, for example:
>>
>>
>> openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -days 365 -subj
>> "/C=US/ST=Ohio/L=Cincinnati/O=www.ge.com/OU=AHMU-UNIT/CN=AHMU-UNIT"
>> -keyout start -out start
>>
>> Generating a 2048 bit RSA private key
>>
>> ......................................................................
>> ...................+++
>>
>> .............+++
>>
>> writing new private key to 'start'
>>
>> -----
>>
>>
>> Trying to find a way to prevent the output being output to 'stdout' but have not found a parameter (can redirect to a file but  the .....+ characters are still written to the console).
>>
>>
>> There either has to be a missed parameter or bug exist?
>>
> This is not a bug or lacking feature.
> The ....+ characters are written to stderr, so if you use
>     openssl .....    > stdout 2> stderr
> the characters disappear (into the file 'stderr'; use '2> /dev/null' to send then straight to bit-heaven).  This depends slightly on the shell you use, BTW. The above syntax is for bash/zsh/ksh; for csh/tcsh a different syntax applies.
>
> HTH,
>
> JJK
>
>
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[openssl.org #4617] openssl Issue/Bug

Rich Salz via RT
Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jan Just Keijser via RT [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 2:35 PM
To: Lapprich, Harold (GE Aviation, US)
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Subject: EXT: Re: [openssl-dev] [openssl.org #4617] openssl Issue/Bug

Hi Harold,

On 18/07/16 21:31, Lapprich, Harold via RT wrote:
> JJK,
>
> Thanks for the quick response, it is really appreciated. Can I ask where you picked up the syntax for this command line (familiar with the various shells and /dev/null but couldn't put this together)?
this is off-topic for this list, but I cannot email you directly. You could try reading up at
   https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tldp.org_HOWTO_Bash-2DProg-2DIntro-2DHOWTO-2D3.html&d=CwIDaQ&c=IV_clAzoPDE253xZdHuilRgztyh_RiV3wUrLrDQYWSI&r=i74Dd1YgazOdjUqZ7H6RwfJnspP534048ulHQI_l8Lg&m=MQLfDlYo7OMhseYkTLlCMQbmsjTa3oYqZ9VxCNa6TKs&s=CTpRJ8DNhRCKHc4VF3OhqAJu7asgyZYRD-fD_MgQIIs&e= 

or any other hit that comes up when searching for "linux shell stderr redirect"

HTH,

JJK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jan Just Keijser via RT [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 2:26 PM
> To: Lapprich, Harold (GE Aviation, US)
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: EXT: Re: [openssl-dev] [openssl.org #4617] openssl Issue/Bug
>
> Hi,
>
> On 18/07/16 18:39, Lapprich, Harold via RT wrote:
>> To Whom It May Concern,
>>
>> openssl version -a:
>>
>>               OpenSSL 1.0.2a 19 Mar 2015
>>
>> built on: reproducible build, date unspecified
>>
>> platform: linux-ppc
>>
>> options:  bn(64,32) rc4(ptr,char) des(idx,risc1,16,long)
>> blowfish(idx)
>>
>> compiler:
>> /home/devadmin/buildserver/staging/build-output/c919/trunk-iop/host/u
>> s
>> r/bin/ccache
>> /home/devadmin/buildserver/staging/build-output/c919/trunk-iop/host/u
>> s r/bin/powerpc-e500v2-linux-uclibc-gcc -I. -I.. -I../include  -fPIC
>> -DOPENSSL_PIC -DZLIB_SHARED -DZLIB -DOPENSSL_THREADS -D_REENTRANT
>> -DDSO_DLFCN -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DB_ENDIAN -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE
>> -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64  -mcpu=8540 -pipe -O2
>> -Wall -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_MONT -DSHA1_ASM -DSHA256_ASM -DSHA512_ASM
>> -DAES_ASM -DVPAES_ASM
>>
>> OPENSSLDIR: "/etc/ssl"
>>
>>
>>
>>                   OS Name, Version, Hardware platform:
>>
>> uname -a
>>
>> Linux ahmu-iop-devel 3.10.76 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jul 8 11:18:12 EDT
>> 2016 ppc GNU/Linux
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Using 'openssl' in a Linux design and since it is a command line application it is always outputting content to the screen, for example:
>>
>>
>> openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -days 365 -subj
>> "/C=US/ST=Ohio/L=Cincinnati/O=www.ge.com/OU=AHMU-UNIT/CN=AHMU-UNIT"
>> -keyout start -out start
>>
>> Generating a 2048 bit RSA private key
>>
>> ......................................................................
>> ...................+++
>>
>> .............+++
>>
>> writing new private key to 'start'
>>
>> -----
>>
>>
>> Trying to find a way to prevent the output being output to 'stdout' but have not found a parameter (can redirect to a file but  the .....+ characters are still written to the console).
>>
>>
>> There either has to be a missed parameter or bug exist?
>>
> This is not a bug or lacking feature.
> The ....+ characters are written to stderr, so if you use
>     openssl .....    > stdout 2> stderr
> the characters disappear (into the file 'stderr'; use '2> /dev/null' to send then straight to bit-heaven).  This depends slightly on the shell you use, BTW. The above syntax is for bash/zsh/ksh; for csh/tcsh a different syntax applies.
>
> HTH,
>
> JJK
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