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Michael "Croydon" K.
I would like to see the git website repository also on Github. Exactly
like it's done with the openssl library.
I would likely going to contribute some improvements since I'm thinking
the website needs that more than urgent.

But sending patches via email.... seriously?
Are there any real arguments against the git web repo on Github?

Have a nice day :)
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Re: Website Contribution

Tim Hudson
On 21/06/2014 9:20 AM, Michael "Croydon" K. wrote:
> I would like to see the git website repository also on Github. Exactly
> like it's done with the openssl library.
> I would likely going to contribute some improvements since I'm
> thinking the website needs that more than urgent.

Do you have specific areas that you feel need addressing more than others?
The /related/ area has already been tidied up ...

Thanks,
Tim.

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Re: Website Contribution

Michael Keck

> On 21/06/2014 9:20 AM, Michael "Croydon" K. wrote:
>> I would like to see the git website repository also on Github.
>> Exactly like it's done with the openssl library.
>> I would likely going to contribute some improvements since I'm
>> thinking the website needs that more than urgent.
>
> Do you have specific areas that you feel need addressing more than
> others?
> The /related/ area has already been tidied up ...
>
> Thanks,
> Tim.
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I'm not talking about the content I mean the design of the website and
that outdated code. Sorry if I was inexact.
Is there any argument against publishing the web repo on GitHub?
It would make contributing easier...

Have a nice day :)
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Re: Website Contribution

Michael "Croydon" K.
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> On 21/06/2014 9:20 AM, Michael "Croydon" K. wrote:
>> I would like to see the git website repository also on Github.
>> Exactly like it's done with the openssl library.
>> I would likely going to contribute some improvements since I'm
>> thinking the website needs that more than urgent.
>
> Do you have specific areas that you feel need addressing more than
> others?
> The /related/ area has already been tidied up ...
>
> Thanks,
> Tim.
>

I'm not talking about the content I mean the design of the website and
that outdated code. Sorry if I was inexact.
Is there any argument against publishing the web repo on GitHub?
It would make contributing easier...

Have a nice day

(Sorry Tim that I send you this now for the third time. I didn't sent it
to the mailing list before thanks the fact that I pressed the wrong
buttons...)
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RE: Website Contribution

Salz, Rich
The website is written using a tool called "wml."

It would be great if someone wanted to make it more modern and properly use things like CSS.  Then it might make sense to put it into a github repository.

Want to volunteer?

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Re: Website Contribution

Michael "Croydon" K.
That was my main motivation to subscribe to the mailing lists and drop
here a line.
Yes, as I wrote at the beginning I would like to contribute and help to
make the website more modern and thats why I would like to see it on GitHub.
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RE: Website Contribution

Salz, Rich
In reply to this post by Michael Keck
(Sorry if this is a duplicate message.)

Right now the website is written in WML (http://thewml.org) so it's not clear how useful it would be to put the pages up on github.

I think it would be great if they were converted to HTML+CSS. Then it would make more sense.

        /r$

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Re: Website Contribution

Dominyk Tiller
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If there's genuine interest in modernising the OpenSSL website with
HTML & CSS instead of wml I'd be willing to code something up.

I can't promise to work particularly quickly, but if there's a desire
to generate a new website design I'm certainly willing to chuck a
decent amount of time into making that happen.

I could always make it a Github project and that way folks could just
chip in where they wanted to. On copyright grounds we'd probably need
permission from Steve H or Steve M to do that on Github, given that
we'd be touching the OpenSSL 'brand' and such.

Dominyk

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On 29/06/2014 04:01, Salz, Rich wrote:

> The website is written using a tool called "wml."
>
> It would be great if someone wanted to make it more modern and
> properly use things like CSS.  Then it might make sense to put it
> into a github repository.
>
> Want to volunteer?
>
> -- Principal Security Engineer Akamai Technologies, Cambridge, MA
> IM: [hidden email]; Twitter: RichSalz
>
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Re: Website Contribution

Pierre DELAAGE
Hmm...
Of course I can understand the purpose of a website "modernization"...
but I really think that, as for every other website,
the first question is : what is the purpose of the website..
then : what can be/should be its mission
and then : what can be / should be its content..

And then....when the what and why question are answered the how can come up.

For me, I think that the purpose and content of the website are quite
obvious,
and appear to be "by will" quite limited and focused.

Particularly now that the wiki is in place.

My sole concern is the synchronisation with the wiki on one side,
the time-cycle of inclusion of communtiy patches (and apparently this
point is quite accelerating these days with, among others, Rich Salz),
and the synchronisation with the rt website on another side.

And I would add that I would not understand that possible patch on a
possible github repository of the website itself,
be taken in account by dev team while other patch are pending on the
openssl lib , sometimes for years.

So...

Regards
Pierre


Le 29/06/2014 20:44, Dominyk Tiller a écrit :

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>
> If there's genuine interest in modernising the OpenSSL website with
> HTML & CSS instead of wml I'd be willing to code something up.
>
> I can't promise to work particularly quickly, but if there's a desire
> to generate a new website design I'm certainly willing to chuck a
> decent amount of time into making that happen.
>
> I could always make it a Github project and that way folks could just
> chip in where they wanted to. On copyright grounds we'd probably need
> permission from Steve H or Steve M to do that on Github, given that
> we'd be touching the OpenSSL 'brand' and such.
>
> Dominyk
>
> Sent from Thunderbird for OS X. My PGP public key is automatically
> attached to this email.
>
> On 29/06/2014 04:01, Salz, Rich wrote:
>> The website is written using a tool called "wml."
>>
>> It would be great if someone wanted to make it more modern and
>> properly use things like CSS.  Then it might make sense to put it
>> into a github repository.
>>
>> Want to volunteer?
>>
>> -- Principal Security Engineer Akamai Technologies, Cambridge, MA
>> IM: [hidden email]; Twitter: RichSalz
>>
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Re: Website Contribution

Michael "Croydon" K.
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Of course WML is just a tool which generates in the end the HTML, CSS
and JS output. And we need a dynamic generation in the background. Pure
HTML + CSS is pure pain and a lot worse than the current state. Means a
no-go.

But WML is a bit outdated and does very likely stopping people from
sending patches/commit.

So in my opinion there are basically two options:
1. Modernize just the front-end and keep WML. Create a nicer design
without images, don't use inline css ...........
2. Replace WML with something better AND modernize the front-end. In
this case I suggesting strongly PHP. When Im looking into the web repo
I'm sure the porting to PHP is going very fast since the website itself
is very static right now. This should also make it easier to maintain
the content in the long-run.

I would prefer to refactoring the website completely. But no matter
what, to bring a bit more life into it, GitHub can help.

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>
> If there's genuine interest in modernising the OpenSSL website with
> HTML & CSS instead of wml I'd be willing to code something up.
>
> I can't promise to work particularly quickly, but if there's a desire
> to generate a new website design I'm certainly willing to chuck a
> decent amount of time into making that happen.
>
> I could always make it a Github project and that way folks could just
> chip in where they wanted to. On copyright grounds we'd probably need
> permission from Steve H or Steve M to do that on Github, given that
> we'd be touching the OpenSSL 'brand' and such.
>
> Dominyk
>
> Sent from Thunderbird for OS X. My PGP public key is automatically
> attached to this email.
>
> On 29/06/2014 04:01, Salz, Rich wrote:
>> The website is written using a tool called "wml."
>>
>> It would be great if someone wanted to make it more modern and
>> properly use things like CSS.  Then it might make sense to put it
>> into a github repository.
>>
>> Want to volunteer?
>>
>> -- Principal Security Engineer Akamai Technologies, Cambridge, MA
>> IM: [hidden email]; Twitter: RichSalz
>>
>> :��I"Ϯ��r�m���� (���Z+�7�zZ)���1���x ��h���W^��^��%��
>>
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Re: Website Contribution

Allan Clark
Hi;

I'm a big fan of static pages. They cache easily. They can run from a local disk.

What are your thoughts on Doxygen?

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> On Jul 3, 2014, at 11:55, "Michael \"Croydon\" K." <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Of course WML is just a tool which generates in the end the HTML, CSS and JS output. And we need a dynamic generation in the background. Pure HTML + CSS is pure pain and a lot worse than the current state. Means a no-go.
>
> But WML is a bit outdated and does very likely stopping people from sending patches/commit.
>
> So in my opinion there are basically two options:
> 1. Modernize just the front-end and keep WML. Create a nicer design without images, don't use inline css ...........
> 2. Replace WML with something better AND modernize the front-end. In this case I suggesting strongly PHP. When Im looking into the web repo I'm sure the porting to PHP is going very fast since the website itself is very static right now. This should also make it easier to maintain the content in the long-run.
>
> I would prefer to refactoring the website completely. But no matter what, to bring a bit more life into it, GitHub can help.
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA512
>>
>> If there's genuine interest in modernising the OpenSSL website with
>> HTML & CSS instead of wml I'd be willing to code something up.
>>
>> I can't promise to work particularly quickly, but if there's a desire
>> to generate a new website design I'm certainly willing to chuck a
>> decent amount of time into making that happen.
>>
>> I could always make it a Github project and that way folks could just
>> chip in where they wanted to. On copyright grounds we'd probably need
>> permission from Steve H or Steve M to do that on Github, given that
>> we'd be touching the OpenSSL 'brand' and such.
>>
>> Dominyk
>>
>> Sent from Thunderbird for OS X. My PGP public key is automatically
>> attached to this email.
>>
>>> On 29/06/2014 04:01, Salz, Rich wrote:
>>> The website is written using a tool called "wml."
>>>
>>> It would be great if someone wanted to make it more modern and
>>> properly use things like CSS.  Then it might make sense to put it
>>> into a github repository.
>>>
>>> Want to volunteer?
>>>
>>> -- Principal Security Engineer Akamai Technologies, Cambridge, MA
>>> IM: [hidden email]; Twitter: RichSalz
>>>
>>> :��I"Ϯ��r�m���� (���Z+�7�zZ)���1���x ��h���W^��^��%��
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Re: Website Contribution

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Jekyll & Sass are another two strong candidates IMO.

Dom

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On 03/07/2014 20:38, Allan Clark wrote:
> Hi;
>
> I'm a big fan of static pages. They cache easily. They can run from
> a local disk.
>
> What are your thoughts on Doxygen?
>
> Allan
>
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