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Using 7-Zip compressing for OpenSSL sources

Denis Andreevich
 Hello dear OpenSSL developers.

I'm not so good speak English. Sorry.

Why you don't use 7-Zip for compressing OpenSSL sources?

Look:
Just tar "openssl-0.9.8.tar"          size 16 281 600 bytes
bzip2    "openssl-0.9.8.tar.bz2"      size  2 611 152 bytes
7zip     "openssl-0.9.8.tar.7z"       size  2 123 591 bytes


Please distribute OpenSSL also with 7-Zip archive format.

www.7-zip.org
http://p7zip.sourceforge.net/

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Re: Using 7-Zip compressing for OpenSSL sources

Dan Kegel-2
Denis Andreevich wrote:
> Why you don't use 7-Zip for compressing OpenSSL sources?
> Just tar "openssl-0.9.8.tar"          size 16 281 600 bytes
> bzip2    "openssl-0.9.8.tar.bz2"      size  2 611 152 bytes
> 7zip     "openssl-0.9.8.tar.7z"       size  2 123 591 bytes

Because the compression gains are relatively minor?
Because 7zip is relatively unknown?
Because it isn't bundled with the major Linux distributions yet?
Because www.7zip.org makes it look like it's a Windows-only app?

Once it's on half the Linux workstations by default
would be a good time to consider it.
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Re[2]: Using 7-Zip compressing for OpenSSL sources

Denis Andreevich
Hello Dan Kegel.

DK> Denis Andreevich wrote:
>> Why you don't use 7-Zip for compressing OpenSSL sources?
>> Just tar "openssl-0.9.8.tar"          size 16 281 600 bytes
>> bzip2    "openssl-0.9.8.tar.bz2"      size  2 611 152 bytes
>> 7zip     "openssl-0.9.8.tar.7z"       size  2 123 591 bytes

DK> Because the compression gains are relatively minor?
DK> Because 7zip is relatively unknown?
DK> Because it isn't bundled with the major Linux distributions yet?
DK> Because www.7zip.org makes it look like it's a Windows-only app?

DK> Once it's on half the Linux workstations by default
DK> would be a good time to consider it.
DK> - Dan

First of all, little size of openssl distribution -> speed up download
sources from server. I'm use modem and speed really matter for me.

7zip and p7zip distributed under GNU GPL.

7zip and p7zip not Window$-only app. Please visit http://p7zip.sourceforge.net/
and answer to your questions your self


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Re: Using 7-Zip compressing for OpenSSL sources

Dan Kegel-2
Denis Andreevich wrote:

>>>Why you don't use 7-Zip for compressing OpenSSL sources?
>>>Just tar "openssl-0.9.8.tar"          size 16 281 600 bytes
>>>bzip2    "openssl-0.9.8.tar.bz2"      size  2 611 152 bytes
>>>7zip     "openssl-0.9.8.tar.7z"       size  2 123 591 bytes
>
> DK> Because the compression gains are relatively minor?
> DK> Because 7zip is relatively unknown?
> DK> Because it isn't bundled with the major Linux distributions yet?
> DK> Because www.7zip.org makes it look like it's a Windows-only app?
>
> DK> Once it's on half the Linux workstations by default
> DK> would be a good time to consider it.
>
> First of all, little size of openssl distribution -> speed up download
> sources from server. I'm use modem and speed really matter for me.

Understood.

> 7zip and p7zip distributed under GNU GPL.

Understood.

> 7zip and p7zip not Window$-only app.

However, www.7zip.org looks very much like a Windows-only site.
Impressions matter.

 > Please visit http://p7zip.sourceforge.net/
> and answer to your questions your self

I looked at it before I wrote.  Didn't help.  7zip still
looks like a windows-only app until the main web site
for 7zip pays more attention to Unix, and until it's on Linux desktops
by default.
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Re[2]: Using 7-Zip compressing for OpenSSL sources

Denis Andreevich
Здравствуйте, [hidden email].

3 сентября 2005 г. числа в 21:54 Вы мне писали:

DK> Denis Andreevich wrote:

>>>>Why you don't use 7-Zip for compressing OpenSSL sources?
>>>>Just tar "openssl-0.9.8.tar"          size 16 281 600 bytes
>>>>bzip2    "openssl-0.9.8.tar.bz2"      size  2 611 152 bytes
>>>>7zip     "openssl-0.9.8.tar.7z"       size  2 123 591 bytes
>>
>> DK> Because the compression gains are relatively minor?
>> DK> Because 7zip is relatively unknown?
>> DK> Because it isn't bundled with the major Linux distributions yet?
>> DK> Because www.7zip.org makes it look like it's a Windows-only app?
>>
>> DK> Once it's on half the Linux workstations by default
>> DK> would be a good time to consider it.
>>
>> First of all, little size of openssl distribution -> speed up download
>> sources from server. I'm use modem and speed really matter for me.

DK> Understood.

>> 7zip and p7zip distributed under GNU GPL.

DK> Understood.

>> 7zip and p7zip not Window$-only app.

DK> However, www.7zip.org looks very much like a Windows-only site.
DK> Impressions matter.

 >> Please visit http://p7zip.sourceforge.net/
>> and answer to your questions your self

DK> I looked at it before I wrote.  Didn't help.  7zip still
DK> looks like a windows-only app until the main web site
DK> for 7zip pays more attention to Unix, and until it's on Linux desktops
DK> by default.
DK> - Dan

Ok... ok... If you do not want use 7zip because it is win-app, but why
you don't want use "standard" tool like bzip2?


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Using bzip2 for openssl.org downloads (was: Re: Using 7-Zip compressing for OpenSSL sources)

Dan Kegel-2
Denis Andreevich wrote:
> Ok... ok... If you do not want use 7zip because it is win-app,
> but why you don't want use "standard" tool like bzip2?

Now you're asking the right question.

openssl.org should consider offering sources in bzip2 format.
It would cut download time by 18%:
-rw-rw-r--    1 dank     dank      2609469 Sep  3 12:09 openssl-0.9.8.tar.bz2
-rw-rw-r--    1 dank     dank      3259550 Sep  3 12:08 openssl-0.9.8.tar.gz
Even winzip can understand tar.bz2 format these days.
- Dan

p.s.
And to be radical, I should note that some big sites are even swiching
solely to bzip2 format.
gcc.gnu.org recently even stopped offering downloads in tar.gz format
for new releases, and only uses tar.bz2: ftp://gcc.gnu.org/pub/gcc/releases/gcc-4.0.1/

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Re: Using bzip2 for openssl.org downloads (was: Re: Using 7-Zip compressing for OpenSSL sources)

Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 03 September 2005 03:19 pm, Dan Kegel wrote:
> Denis Andreevich wrote:
> > Ok... ok... If you do not want use 7zip because it is win-app,

7zip is hardly standard and rarely found on any machine, regardless of
operating system

> > but why you don't want use "standard" tool like bzip2?
>
> Now you're asking the right question.
>
> openssl.org should consider offering sources in bzip2 format.

yeah, i love when people provide .tar.bz2 archives along with .tar.gz
-mike
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Re: Using bzip2 for openssl.org downloads

Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker
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In message <[hidden email]> on Sat, 03 Sep 2005 12:19:31 -0700, Dan Kegel <[hidden email]> said:

dank> openssl.org should consider offering sources in bzip2 format.
dank> It would cut download time by 18%:
[...]
dank> Even winzip can understand tar.bz2 format these days.

Ah, the innocence of youth, how I miss it.

Let me gently point out that there are more operating systems than
Windows and Unixly ones out there.  Gnu zip is ported to a majority of
them, while bzip2 isn't.

As long as I've anything to say in the matter, OpenSSL will at the
very least be distributed in .tar.gz form.  I've no problem with
OpenSSL *also* being distributed in .tar.bz2, as long as noone in the
team thinks that will eat too much of our disk space.

dank> And to be radical, I should note that some big sites are even
dank> swiching solely to bzip2 format.
dank> gcc.gnu.org recently even stopped offering downloads in tar.gz
dank> format for new releases, and only uses tar.bz2:
dank> ftp://gcc.gnu.org/pub/gcc/releases/gcc-4.0.1/

That will only happen when bzip2 has as wide acceptance as gzip.
For those running something other than Windows or a Unix flavor
(incluging Linux), consider this an invitation to hack away :-).

Cheers,
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Re: Using bzip2 for openssl.org downloads

Dan Kegel-2
Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker wrote:
> I've no problem with
> OpenSSL *also* being distributed in .tar.bz2, as long as noone in the
> team thinks that will eat too much of our disk space.

At the very least, the two latest/most popular downloads
could be provided in both formats. That would give you the most
bandwidth reduction for the least extra disk consumption.
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Re[2]: Using bzip2 for openssl.org downloads

rz1a
Instead of having a flame-war RE "7zip vs bzip vs gzip" I'd rather like to
hear about the greater portability - I'm on a handycaped unix clone
without int64 support.
Still I'd like to have sha512 ported...

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