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Dan Freed
I see that there are a few posts about compiling openssl on HP-UX, so I’m hopeful that someone can help me out.



I’m having issues getting things to completely finish the compilation process. There is an issue that some folks on Git-hub helped me resolve that was caused by some incompatibilities with HP’s make utility, but I have that resolved now (https://github.com/openssl/openssl/issues/4689).



Now I'm seeing an issue with what I think is the final link step that I cannot find a solution to, and those people on Git-Hub were unable to help with. The issue changed - and of course I cannot figure out why, but the current scenario is below.



Any help would be much appreciated.



I'm using all HP utilities, which mean their make and the aCC compiler to build the package.

I'm configuring with: 

HP-UX : B.11.31 ia64 



CFLAGS=+DD64

LDOPTS=+b /usr/local/epic/Epic2018/lib -L/usr/local/epic/Epic2018/lib

PERL=/usr/local/epic/Epic2018/bin/perl

./config no-ssl3 no-zlib no-zlib-dynamic --prefix=/usr/local/epic/Epic2018/ --libdir=lib -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2



Make errors out with the following (this is just the last bits of the output):



cc -I. -Iinclude -Iapps -DDSO_DLFCN -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DNDEBUG -DOPENSSL_THREADS -DOPENSSL_NO_STATIC_ENGINE -DOPENSSL_PIC -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_MONT -DSHA1_ASM -DSHA256_ASM -DSHA512_ASM -DRC4_ASM -DMD5_ASM -DAES_ASM -DGHASH_ASM

-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -D_REENTRANT -DOPENSSLDIR="\"/usr/local/epic/Epic2018/ssl\"" -DENGINESDIR="\"/usr/local/epic/Epic2018/lib/engines-1.1\"" -Ae +DD64 +Olit=all -z -DB_ENDIAN +O3 -D_REENTRANT -c -o apps/x509.o apps/x509.c

rm -f apps/openssl

make -f ./Makefile.shared -e \

PERL="/usr/local/epic/Epic2018/bin/perl" SRCDIR=. \

APPNAME=apps/openssl OBJECTS="apps/app_rand.o apps/apps.o apps/asn1pars.o apps/ca.o apps/ciphers.o apps/cms.o apps/crl.o apps/crl2p7.o apps/dgst.o apps/dhparam.o apps/dsa.o apps/dsaparam.o apps/ec.o apps/ecparam.o apps/enc.o apps/engine.o apps/errstr.o apps/gendsa.o apps/genpkey.o apps/genrsa.o apps/nseq.o apps/ocsp.o apps/openssl.o apps/opt.o apps/passwd.o apps/pkcs12.o apps/pkcs7.o apps/pkcs8.o apps/pkey.o apps/pkeyparam.o apps/pkeyutl.o apps/prime.o apps/rand.o apps/rehash.o apps/req.o apps/rsa.o apps/rsautl.o apps/s_cb.o apps/s_client.o apps/s_server.o apps/s_socket.o apps/s_time.o apps/sess_id.o apps/smime.o apps/speed.o apps/spkac.o apps/srp.o apps/ts.o apps/verify.o apps/version.o apps/x509.o" \

LIBDEPS=' '" -L. -lssl -L. -lcrypto"' -ldl -lpthread ' \

CC='cc' CFLAGS='-DDSO_DLFCN -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DNDEBUG -DOPENSSL_THREADS -DOPENSSL_NO_STATIC_ENGINE -DOPENSSL_PIC -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_MONT -DSHA1_ASM -DSHA256_ASM -DSHA512_ASM -DRC4_ASM -DMD5_ASM -DAES_ASM -DGHASH_ASM

-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -D_REENTRANT -DOPENSSLDIR="\"/usr/local/epic/Epic2018/ssl\"" -DENGINESDIR="\"/usr/local/epic/Epic2018/lib/engines-1.1\"" -Ae +DD64 +Olit=all -z -DB_ENDIAN +O3 -D_REENTRANT ' \

LDFLAGS='' \

link_app.hpux-shared

LD_LIBRARY_PATH=.: cc -DDSO_DLFCN -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DNDEBUG -DOPENSSL_THREADS -DOPENSSL_NO_STATIC_ENGINE -DOPENSSL_PIC -DOPENSSL_BN_ASM_MONT -DSHA1_ASM -DSHA256_ASM -DSHA512_ASM -DRC4_ASM -DMD5_ASM -DAES_ASM -DGHASH_ASM -D_FORTIFY

_SOURCE=2 -D_REENTRANT -DOPENSSLDIR="/usr/local/epic/Epic2018/ssl" -DENGINESDIR="/usr/local/epic/Epic2018/lib/engines-1.1" -Ae +DD64 +Olit=all -z -DB_ENDIAN +O3 -D_REENTRANT -Wl,+s,+cdp,../:,+cdp,./: -o apps/openssl apps/app_ran

d.o apps/apps.o apps/asn1pars.o apps/ca.o apps/ciphers.o apps/cms.o apps/crl.o apps/crl2p7.o apps/dgst.o apps/dhparam.o apps/dsa.o apps/dsaparam.o apps/ec.o apps/ecparam.o apps/enc.o apps/engine.o apps/errstr.o apps/gendsa.o app

s/genpkey.o apps/genrsa.o apps/nseq.o apps/ocsp.o apps/openssl.o apps/opt.o apps/passwd.o apps/pkcs12.o apps/pkcs7.o apps/pkcs8.o apps/pkey.o apps/pkeyparam.o apps/pkeyutl.o apps/prime.o apps/rand.o apps/rehash.o apps/req.o apps

/rsa.o apps/rsautl.o apps/s_cb.o apps/s_client.o apps/s_server.o apps/s_socket.o apps/s_time.o apps/sess_id.o apps/smime.o apps/speed.o apps/spkac.o apps/srp.o apps/ts.o apps/verify.o apps/version.o apps/x509.o -L. -lssl -L. -lc

rypto -ldl -lpthread

ld: (Warning) Unsatisfied symbol "bn_mul_comba4" in file ./libcrypto.so.1.1

ld: (Warning) Unsatisfied symbol "bn_mul_comba8" in file ./libcrypto.so.1.1

ld: (Warning) Unsatisfied symbol "bn_sqr_comba4" in file ./libcrypto.so.1.1

ld: (Warning) Unsatisfied symbol "bn_sqr_comba8" in file ./libcrypto.so.1.1

ld: (Warning) Unsatisfied symbol "OPENSSL_cpuid_setup" in file ./libcrypto.so.1.1

ld: (Warning) Unsatisfied symbol "bn_sub_words" in file ./libcrypto.so.1.1

ld: (Warning) Unsatisfied symbol "bn_sqr_words" in file ./libcrypto.so.1.1

ld: (Warning) Unsatisfied symbol "bn_mul_words" in file ./libcrypto.so.1.1

ld: (Warning) Unsatisfied symbol "bn_add_words" in file ./libcrypto.so.1.1

ld: (Warning) Unsatisfied symbol "bn_div_words" in file ./libcrypto.so.1.1

ld: (Warning) Unsatisfied symbol "CRYPTO_memcmp" in file ./libssl.so

ld: (Warning) Unsatisfied symbol "bn_mul_add_words" in file ./libcrypto.so.1.1

ld: (Warning) Unsatisfied symbol "AES_decrypt" in file ./libcrypto.so.1.1

ld: Unsatisfied symbol "AES_encrypt" in file apps/speed.o

ld: Unsatisfied symbol "OPENSSL_cleanse" in file apps/apps.o

13 warnings.

2 errors.

*** Error exit code 1



Stop.

*** Error exit code 1



Stop.

*** Error exit code 1



Stop.















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Re: Help compiling on HPUX

Michael Wojcik
> From: openssl-users [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dan Freed
> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 19:14
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [openssl-users] Help compiling on HPUX

> I see that there are a few posts about compiling openssl on HP-UX, so I’m hopeful that someone can help me out.

My initial suspect is the assembly modules. I suggest configuring with no-asm, and if that works and you really want the assembly code for performance, then investigate further.

Another possibility is optimization. We had issues building OpenSSL for HP-UX (PA-RISC and Itanium) with +O4, which is what Configure specifies for at least some HP-UX builds. We backed it off to +O1 (by editing Configure; we actually use our own Configure script, and merge in changes from the official one each time we update to a new OpenSSL release).

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Re: Help compiling on HPUX

Ludwig, Mark
> From: Michael Wojcik, Wednesday, November 08, 2017 7:03 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [openssl-users] Help compiling on HPUX
>
> > From: openssl-users [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
> Of Dan Freed
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 19:14
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: [openssl-users] Help compiling on HPUX
>
> > I see that there are a few posts about compiling openssl on HP-UX, so I’m
> hopeful that someone can help me out.
>
> My initial suspect is the assembly modules. I suggest configuring with no-asm,
> and if that works and you really want the assembly code for performance, then
> investigate further.
>
> Another possibility is optimization. We had issues building OpenSSL for HP-UX
> (PA-RISC and Itanium) with +O4, which is what Configure specifies for at least
> some HP-UX builds. We backed it off to +O1 (by editing Configure; we actually
> use our own Configure script, and merge in changes from the official one each
> time we update to a new OpenSSL release).

Dan, you did not specify the platform.  I have not built on RISC since OpenSSL 0.9.8.
I have built OpenSSL 1.0.2k on Itanium as follows.  I mostly agree with Michael,
but have not backed off optimization quite as far.  Note that my use cases do not
include encrypting/decrypting large payloads, so can get away with reduced
performance to get correct results (i.e., pass the tests).

I had to edit util/selftest.pl for the compiler's identification output
and because the ar(1) command will not accept /dev/null as an input file.

I also eliminated a lot of the tests in test/cms-tests, because we do not use the
modules being tested.  (They were failing.)  I can believe these might work with
lower optimization such as Michael recommends.

Below is the Configure output.  Hope this helps.

Configuring for hpux64-ia64-cc
    no-asm          [option]   OPENSSL_NO_ASM
    no-dso          [option]  
    no-ec_nistp_64_gcc_128 [default]  OPENSSL_NO_EC_NISTP_64_GCC_128 (skip dir)
    no-gmp          [default]  OPENSSL_NO_GMP (skip dir)
    no-jpake        [experimental] OPENSSL_NO_JPAKE (skip dir)
    no-krb5         [krb5-flavor not specified] OPENSSL_NO_KRB5
    no-libunbound   [experimental] OPENSSL_NO_LIBUNBOUND (skip dir)
    no-md2          [default]  OPENSSL_NO_MD2 (skip dir)
    no-rc5          [default]  OPENSSL_NO_RC5 (skip dir)
    no-rfc3779      [default]  OPENSSL_NO_RFC3779 (skip dir)
    no-sctp         [default]  OPENSSL_NO_SCTP (skip dir)
    no-ssl-trace    [default]  OPENSSL_NO_SSL_TRACE (skip dir)
    no-ssl2         [default]  OPENSSL_NO_SSL2 (skip dir)
    no-store        [experimental] OPENSSL_NO_STORE (skip dir)
    no-unit-test    [default]  OPENSSL_NO_UNIT_TEST (skip dir)
    no-weak-ssl-ciphers [default]  OPENSSL_NO_WEAK_SSL_CIPHERS (skip dir)
    no-zlib         [default]
    no-zlib-dynamic [default]
IsMK1MF=0
CC            =cc
CFLAG         =+Z -DOPENSSL_PIC -DOPENSSL_THREADS  -Ae +DD64 +O3 +Olit=all -z -DB_ENDIAN -D_REENTRANT
EX_LIBS       =-ldl
CPUID_OBJ     =mem_clr.o
BN_ASM        =bn_asm.o
EC_ASM        =
DES_ENC       =des_enc.o fcrypt_b.o
AES_ENC       =aes_core.o aes_cbc.o
BF_ENC        =bf_enc.o
CAST_ENC      =c_enc.o
RC4_ENC       =rc4_enc.o rc4_skey.o
RC5_ENC       =rc5_enc.o
MD5_OBJ_ASM   =
SHA1_OBJ_ASM  =
RMD160_OBJ_ASM=
CMLL_ENC      =camellia.o cmll_misc.o cmll_cbc.o
MODES_OBJ     =
ENGINES_OBJ   =
PROCESSOR     =
RANLIB        =/usr/ccs/bin/ranlib
ARFLAGS       =
PERL          =/usr/local/smd/bin/perl
SIXTY_FOUR_BIT_LONG mode
DES_RISC1 used
DES_UNROLL used
DES_INT used
RC4_INDEX mode
RC4_CHUNK is undefined
MD2 uses uchar

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Re: Help compiling on HPUX

Dan Freed
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Thanks!

I am compiling on Itanium (ia64).  I've not had these issues compiling OpenSSL 1.0.1 version, but this is the first time I'm attempting to move to the 1.1.0 version.

I'm attempting a no-asm compile right now, to see if I can get past the error.  Then I'll play the optimizations to see if I can get it to compile with the assembly optimizations or not.

-Dan

On 11/8/17, 7:33 AM, "openssl-users on behalf of Ludwig, Mark" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

    > From: Michael Wojcik, Wednesday, November 08, 2017 7:03 AM
    > To: [hidden email]
    > Subject: Re: [openssl-users] Help compiling on HPUX
    >
    > > From: openssl-users [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
    > Of Dan Freed
    > > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 19:14
    > > To: [hidden email]
    > > Subject: [openssl-users] Help compiling on HPUX
    >
    > > I see that there are a few posts about compiling openssl on HP-UX, so I’m
    > hopeful that someone can help me out.
    >
    > My initial suspect is the assembly modules. I suggest configuring with no-asm,
    > and if that works and you really want the assembly code for performance, then
    > investigate further.
    >
    > Another possibility is optimization. We had issues building OpenSSL for HP-UX
    > (PA-RISC and Itanium) with +O4, which is what Configure specifies for at least
    > some HP-UX builds. We backed it off to +O1 (by editing Configure; we actually
    > use our own Configure script, and merge in changes from the official one each
    > time we update to a new OpenSSL release).
   
    Dan, you did not specify the platform.  I have not built on RISC since OpenSSL 0.9.8.
    I have built OpenSSL 1.0.2k on Itanium as follows.  I mostly agree with Michael,
    but have not backed off optimization quite as far.  Note that my use cases do not
    include encrypting/decrypting large payloads, so can get away with reduced
    performance to get correct results (i.e., pass the tests).
   
    I had to edit util/selftest.pl for the compiler's identification output
    and because the ar(1) command will not accept /dev/null as an input file.
   
    I also eliminated a lot of the tests in test/cms-tests, because we do not use the
    modules being tested.  (They were failing.)  I can believe these might work with
    lower optimization such as Michael recommends.
   
    Below is the Configure output.  Hope this helps.
   
    Configuring for hpux64-ia64-cc
        no-asm          [option]   OPENSSL_NO_ASM
        no-dso          [option]  
        no-ec_nistp_64_gcc_128 [default]  OPENSSL_NO_EC_NISTP_64_GCC_128 (skip dir)
        no-gmp          [default]  OPENSSL_NO_GMP (skip dir)
        no-jpake        [experimental] OPENSSL_NO_JPAKE (skip dir)
        no-krb5         [krb5-flavor not specified] OPENSSL_NO_KRB5
        no-libunbound   [experimental] OPENSSL_NO_LIBUNBOUND (skip dir)
        no-md2          [default]  OPENSSL_NO_MD2 (skip dir)
        no-rc5          [default]  OPENSSL_NO_RC5 (skip dir)
        no-rfc3779      [default]  OPENSSL_NO_RFC3779 (skip dir)
        no-sctp         [default]  OPENSSL_NO_SCTP (skip dir)
        no-ssl-trace    [default]  OPENSSL_NO_SSL_TRACE (skip dir)
        no-ssl2         [default]  OPENSSL_NO_SSL2 (skip dir)
        no-store        [experimental] OPENSSL_NO_STORE (skip dir)
        no-unit-test    [default]  OPENSSL_NO_UNIT_TEST (skip dir)
        no-weak-ssl-ciphers [default]  OPENSSL_NO_WEAK_SSL_CIPHERS (skip dir)
        no-zlib         [default]
        no-zlib-dynamic [default]
    IsMK1MF=0
    CC            =cc
    CFLAG         =+Z -DOPENSSL_PIC -DOPENSSL_THREADS  -Ae +DD64 +O3 +Olit=all -z -DB_ENDIAN -D_REENTRANT
    EX_LIBS       =-ldl
    CPUID_OBJ     =mem_clr.o
    BN_ASM        =bn_asm.o
    EC_ASM        =
    DES_ENC       =des_enc.o fcrypt_b.o
    AES_ENC       =aes_core.o aes_cbc.o
    BF_ENC        =bf_enc.o
    CAST_ENC      =c_enc.o
    RC4_ENC       =rc4_enc.o rc4_skey.o
    RC5_ENC       =rc5_enc.o
    MD5_OBJ_ASM   =
    SHA1_OBJ_ASM  =
    RMD160_OBJ_ASM=
    CMLL_ENC      =camellia.o cmll_misc.o cmll_cbc.o
    MODES_OBJ     =
    ENGINES_OBJ   =
    PROCESSOR     =
    RANLIB        =/usr/ccs/bin/ranlib
    ARFLAGS       =
    PERL          =/usr/local/smd/bin/perl
    SIXTY_FOUR_BIT_LONG mode
    DES_RISC1 used
    DES_UNROLL used
    DES_INT used
    RC4_INDEX mode
    RC4_CHUNK is undefined
    MD2 uses uchar
   
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Re: Help compiling on HPUX

Dan Freed
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I can confirm that I can compile with no-asm.  That’s a good thing.

I cannot however get any level of optimizations to compile correctly.  This may not be a problem for my use case, but it may be for others.

If I update Configurations/10-main.conf for hpux64-ia64-cc to use +O0, +O1, or +O2 (+O3 was the default) it will trigger the issue.  
  "hpux64-ia64-cc" => {
        inherit_from     => [ "BASE_unix", asm("ia64_asm") ],
        cc               => "cc",
        cflags           => combine(picker(default => "-Ae +DD64 +Olit=all -z -DB_ENDIAN",
                                           debug   => "+O0 +d -g",
                                           release => "+O0"),   #### I changed the value here!

This is also shown in the CFLAGS in the summary output from Configure:

Configuring for hpux64-ia64-cc
CC            =cc
CFLAG         =-Ae +DD64 +Olit=all -z -DB_ENDIAN +O0 -D_REENTRANT


While I can proceed with my project using no-asm, I am willing to try other changes to help the OpenSSL project out to see if the problem is just around one function that cannot be optimized, etc if anyone has any suggestions.  

I'm not sure if the git-hub bug moderators are on this list, so I'll update the bug report there with this new info.

-Dan




On 11/8/17, 7:33 AM, "openssl-users on behalf of Ludwig, Mark" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

    > From: Michael Wojcik, Wednesday, November 08, 2017 7:03 AM
    > To: [hidden email]
    > Subject: Re: [openssl-users] Help compiling on HPUX
    >
    > > From: openssl-users [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
    > Of Dan Freed
    > > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 19:14
    > > To: [hidden email]
    > > Subject: [openssl-users] Help compiling on HPUX
    >
    > > I see that there are a few posts about compiling openssl on HP-UX, so I’m
    > hopeful that someone can help me out.
    >
    > My initial suspect is the assembly modules. I suggest configuring with no-asm,
    > and if that works and you really want the assembly code for performance, then
    > investigate further.
    >
    > Another possibility is optimization. We had issues building OpenSSL for HP-UX
    > (PA-RISC and Itanium) with +O4, which is what Configure specifies for at least
    > some HP-UX builds. We backed it off to +O1 (by editing Configure; we actually
    > use our own Configure script, and merge in changes from the official one each
    > time we update to a new OpenSSL release).
   
    Dan, you did not specify the platform.  I have not built on RISC since OpenSSL 0.9.8.
    I have built OpenSSL 1.0.2k on Itanium as follows.  I mostly agree with Michael,
    but have not backed off optimization quite as far.  Note that my use cases do not
    include encrypting/decrypting large payloads, so can get away with reduced
    performance to get correct results (i.e., pass the tests).
   
    I had to edit util/selftest.pl for the compiler's identification output
    and because the ar(1) command will not accept /dev/null as an input file.
   
    I also eliminated a lot of the tests in test/cms-tests, because we do not use the
    modules being tested.  (They were failing.)  I can believe these might work with
    lower optimization such as Michael recommends.
   
    Below is the Configure output.  Hope this helps.
   
    Configuring for hpux64-ia64-cc
        no-asm          [option]   OPENSSL_NO_ASM
        no-dso          [option]  
        no-ec_nistp_64_gcc_128 [default]  OPENSSL_NO_EC_NISTP_64_GCC_128 (skip dir)
        no-gmp          [default]  OPENSSL_NO_GMP (skip dir)
        no-jpake        [experimental] OPENSSL_NO_JPAKE (skip dir)
        no-krb5         [krb5-flavor not specified] OPENSSL_NO_KRB5
        no-libunbound   [experimental] OPENSSL_NO_LIBUNBOUND (skip dir)
        no-md2          [default]  OPENSSL_NO_MD2 (skip dir)
        no-rc5          [default]  OPENSSL_NO_RC5 (skip dir)
        no-rfc3779      [default]  OPENSSL_NO_RFC3779 (skip dir)
        no-sctp         [default]  OPENSSL_NO_SCTP (skip dir)
        no-ssl-trace    [default]  OPENSSL_NO_SSL_TRACE (skip dir)
        no-ssl2         [default]  OPENSSL_NO_SSL2 (skip dir)
        no-store        [experimental] OPENSSL_NO_STORE (skip dir)
        no-unit-test    [default]  OPENSSL_NO_UNIT_TEST (skip dir)
        no-weak-ssl-ciphers [default]  OPENSSL_NO_WEAK_SSL_CIPHERS (skip dir)
        no-zlib         [default]
        no-zlib-dynamic [default]
    IsMK1MF=0
    CC            =cc
    CFLAG         =+Z -DOPENSSL_PIC -DOPENSSL_THREADS  -Ae +DD64 +O3 +Olit=all -z -DB_ENDIAN -D_REENTRANT
    EX_LIBS       =-ldl
    CPUID_OBJ     =mem_clr.o
    BN_ASM        =bn_asm.o
    EC_ASM        =
    DES_ENC       =des_enc.o fcrypt_b.o
    AES_ENC       =aes_core.o aes_cbc.o
    BF_ENC        =bf_enc.o
    CAST_ENC      =c_enc.o
    RC4_ENC       =rc4_enc.o rc4_skey.o
    RC5_ENC       =rc5_enc.o
    MD5_OBJ_ASM   =
    SHA1_OBJ_ASM  =
    RMD160_OBJ_ASM=
    CMLL_ENC      =camellia.o cmll_misc.o cmll_cbc.o
    MODES_OBJ     =
    ENGINES_OBJ   =
    PROCESSOR     =
    RANLIB        =/usr/ccs/bin/ranlib
    ARFLAGS       =
    PERL          =/usr/local/smd/bin/perl
    SIXTY_FOUR_BIT_LONG mode
    DES_RISC1 used
    DES_UNROLL used
    DES_INT used
    RC4_INDEX mode
    RC4_CHUNK is undefined
    MD2 uses uchar
   
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